ACTS 20:28 Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God,a]">[a] which he bought with his own blood.b]">[b] 29 I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. 30 Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. 31 So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears.

Monday, October 17, 2011

NAR - "Then New Apostolic Reformation" founded by C. Peter Wagner - Exposed in SE PA - Greater Reading & Lancaster, PA

NAR - "Then New Apostolic Reformation" founded by C. Peter Wagner - Exposed in SE PA - Greater Reading & Lancaster, PA

by Bob Brunette on Friday, October 14, 2011 at 11:04am
The Lord gave me a dream Friday 10/14/11 (10:45am). (As I write this message I can hear loud claps of thunder and lightning)

THE LORD DIRECTED ME TO EXPOSE NAR – “The New Apostolic Reformation” founded by C. Peter Wagner and the Kansas City Prophets/Apostles movement to include IHOP “International House of Prayer”

“But what I am doing I will continue to do, so that I may cut off opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the matter about which they are boasting. 13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds.” ~ 2nd Corinthians 11:12-15

The Lord very rarely speaks to me in a dream with such force of conviction. But did today this dream was especially vivid with both urgency and conviction, in fact the dream had awakened me from a sound sleep. Not on my behalf but for the anger He holds against those who purport to represent Christ, when in fact they are causing His Precious and Beloved sheep to go astray in a Day of Great Judgment! The Lord has exhausted His patience with these false prophets who call themselves apostles, prophets, evangelists, teachers and pastors.

“Woe to the rebellious children,” declares the LORD, “Who execute a plan, but not Mine, And make an alliance, but not of My Spirit, In order to add sin to sin” ~ Isaiah 30:1

For the Lord is going to be raining down His Righteous Judgments upon these leaders to the end that there will not be one stone left upon another in the self-righteous of their celebrated ministries because of His great fury, by those who consider themselves to be the Lord’s ministers while taking upon themselves the Glory that is the Lord’s and the Lord’s Alone! Jesus actually meant what He said, when He stated it would be better for a milestone to be strung around a man’s neck and thrown into the sea rather than to cause one of His sheep to stumble in their faith!
We are going to begin seeing so-called spiritual leaders from all sections of U.S. Evangelical Christianity to crash and burn, because they will not be able to withstand the Lord’s Jealousy and His subsequent raining Judgments that will come upon them. Judgment does in fact begin with the House of God! That will result in the utter demise of these self conceived and celebrated kingdoms, that will be found resisting the Lord’s Will being done!

“In the dream the Lord showed me a meeting that a local Reading, PA pastor (Dove Fellowship ministry) had organized in the region. It was an impromptu type of a meeting. And I was present there along with about 15 – 20 pastors/leaders. And suddenly the spirit of the Lord rose up in my spirit with an anger that was clearly not mine, but the Lords. All because the Lord had simply had enough of the deception that was going on in His Name amidst His Precious and Beloved flock. Most but not all of these pastors & leaders were completely blinded by the seriousness of the impact that this deceptive NAR ministry was having. And the reason for their blindness was spiritual pride and hardened hearts who had come to resist the very Spirit of Grace. And because of their blindness would continue to lead His Flock astray.This group of pastors were completely unaware of how His precious the Lord's Flock means to Him. And the impact that they would have to endure from being seduced into gross spiritual error and subsequently mislead. And unless otherwise alerted would have to bear the inevitable consequences of being mislead in the form of the soon to break forthcoming judgments. And all because of these false apostles, prophets, teachers and pastors who were leading the Master's Sheep astray.

In the midst of the meeting that was being led by this pastor (or pseudo-apostle), the Lord out of the clear blue began showing me the sin that was already prevalent in not all but many of these so-called pastors leaders and I could feel the anger of the Lord burning in my physical being. I remember attempting to shrug off the conviction that was coming upon me for fear of what would result in the form of consequences that I would have to bear, for being so outspoken. But the Lord clearly spoke to me “Was I going to be more concerned for myself or the scattering of His Precious Flock”, for which I chose to listen to His Voice, irrespective of the consequences. And then the Spirit of the Lord rose above my fears and then I distinctly remember just as this Reading, PA Dove ministry pastor was about to lead the gathering in a direction that he thought it should go, the anger of the Lord gripped me and I could no longer bear to sit idly by, for then I would have actually been a participant in their sin, by omission - more concerned about the fear of men rather than the Fear of the Lord!
So I stood up in the meeting, and I began to tell them outright that NAR - The New Apostolic Reformation founded by C. Peter Wagner was a ploy and deception that was conceived right from the pit of hell! I began to warn all those in attendance to be keenly aware of this and to repent of the deception and the alluring doctrines that NAR ascribed to. 1st Timothy 4:1 “For the Spirit expressly says that in the last days many will depart from the faith giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils”.

And to especially warn those who were unaware of the danger that came along with any way association that they might involve themselves with in this movement, not to mention the impact that would be experienced by their respective flock by mere association. For in so doing would expose their flocks to this ever so subtle but frontal and demonic… attack against the Lord’s flock. Reminding them that the Lord was completely aware of just what exactly was going on behind closed doors not only in their personal lives but so too in their congregational meetings. To include naming names with great boldness: Kansas City Prophets and Apostles & IHOP “International House of Prayer”– C. Peter Wagner, Mike Bickle, Bill Johnson, Lou Engle, Chuck Pierce, John Arnott, Rick Joyner etc. More closer to home the Lord directed me to expose the fact that Larry Kreider of Dove Fellowship International DFI is intimately associated with NAR, in fact Larry Kreider is one of NAR’s chief elders and therefore all of those who are affiliated with Dove Fellowship International ministry or Dove affiliated congregations are also considered to be equally libel to these judgments. Larry Kreider is one of the prime perpetrators of this deception, because of his leadership role in the Southeastern PA region and additionally libel for the spiritual damage that he has already inflicted in addition to the spiritual damage that he continues to foster in this Southeastern PA region.
The Lord has conveyed to me that these so-called ministers are going to start dropping like flies, because they exalted themselves in ministry rather than the Lord and thereby permitted the sin of spiritual pride rather than the Righteousness of Christ to rise in their ministries a Righteousness that can only come from the Preaching of the Cross of Christ and His Cross Alone as being pre-imminent in their ministries. It’s a building that has already been set afire… by the Lord Himself! And in His present Judgments the Lord in His unwarranted Mercies is now warning those who are involved to flee... before the house completely burns to ashes.
It’s His desire that none should have to bear His Judgments but rather to flee from them while they can and give back the Glory that is due the Lord and the Lord alone. And Now is the time to flee!
But the Lord knows full well there will be many who in the stubbornness of their own hearts will dig their heels into the ground and not relent from their deceptive ways and will have to bear the consequences of their rebellious hearts. The Lord also showed me that many who are more concerned with outward empty expressions of Evangelical Christianity rather than circumcision of their hearts will bear the consequences of continuing to believe that they are justified in their wayward paths and will prefer believing a lie rather than the cutting truth… "For the prophets (pastors) prophecy (preach) falsely and the priests/ministers rule on their own authority, and My people love it so; but what will you do at the end of it?" ~ Jeremiah 5:31 Even in a Day of Great Judgments believing right to be wrong and wrong to be right, and in so doing will have done nothing more than heaped upon themselves and their following the judgments that are at this very moment sitting in the offing about to be unleashed. All because of believing themselves to be justified in their own ministries rather than in the Lord’s ministry. Only then to discover themselves challenging the Chief Shepherd and the Chief Apostle, Whom they are supposedly representing!
When in fact their hardened hearts will have done nothing more than paved their paths to bearing this judgment on their own outside of the Lord’s reach all due to their own stubbornness and rebellion! This is very serious much more so than most are able to presently recognize, but in due time will readily recognize. For the Righteous Judgments that have already begun to fall, judgments that will only increase in intensity with the simple passing of time are far beyond these misleading ministers minds to imagine… for the Hour in which we presently live is extremely serious, for the time of the Lord’s Return is in fact at hand!

With any additional questions or additional information. I have an abundance of additional corroborated and document material available - please contact me at - In His Mercy, Bob Brunette

Church as we know it, or church as God's word says for it to be?

Church as we know it, or church as God's word says for it to be?

by Manasseh Zerubbabel Freemen on Friday, October 14, 2011 at 8:56am
It is a fundamental error in organized Christianity, to think of "church" as a gathering of different people, some committed to Christ, and some not.
No. The church, is the people who are already surrendered to Christ.
As the church gathers together privately, the things of God are communicated/ shared with each other; and we are encouraged, edified, instructed, and blessed spending time with each other in a foreign and hostile world.
Church gatherings are private meetings of aliens getting together on earth. That's a big reason why it's not advertised, and it is generally in our homes. (Romans 16:5, and 1Corinthians 16:19, and Colossians 4:15, and Philemon 1:1-2, and Act 16:13, and Acts 2:46, and Acts 5:42)
And yes, there are times when outsiders may be invited; but the church's assembling together, is not an evangelizing venture. It is for the edifying of itself in love. (Ephesians 4:11-16)
The early church confessed their faults to one another, read the Bible, worshipped , prayed, partook of the Lord's supper, and fellowshipped together constantly. They also reproved each other, and basically spent their lives associating with one another, sharing everything they owned.
Those are the things that were important in the first church; and the Bible tells us to earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. So those are also the things that should be important to us now.

The devil has performed a great work of tricking many Christians out of Biblical fellowship. Instead, they have settled for a formal public meeting where music performances and preaching take place. That meeting happens in a "church" building, with a set order of events, where most everything is pre-planned and arranged.
My friends, even if God has mercifully tolerated that "church" format, it is still not Biblical. Let's do His will, instead of just settling for less. We ought to be doers of the Word, and not hearers only.
You do not see the saints buying buildngs meant for church meetings, in the Bible.
You don't find the saints making any contractual agreement with the government at all, in the Bible.
The church is not a non-profit organization, or a business at all, in the Bible.
Instead you see a "grass roots", personal, informal unity of believers, which is miraculously ordered by the Holy Spirit of God, and not by man's logic or organization. Many people don't believe that such a thing is possible.
In the Bible, the church does all get together for private gatherings, but they also continue being the church, and fellowshipping together constantly, even outside of any gatherings.
They didn't even consider their individual possesions to be their own; but instead, they shared everything amongst one another. Most of us Christians in the USA live our own Godly lives, instead of living a Godly life joined together with all others who are the body of Christ.
And in the Bible, the gatherings were consistently in the saints' houses, and they ate a meal together there. So it was very personal, as a family should be. (No overhead, No government affiliations)
Never once do you see the church register with the government, or pay for any "church" building, in the Bible!

So i ask you, What kind of church are you even trying to be? What do you consider the church to be?
Do you believe that it is something out of the Bible, or do you believe in some traditional thing made by man? There is a big difference.
Even many Christians ask the question, "What church do you go to?".
But the church of the Bible is not something you go to. I'm not telling anyone to avoid going to "church" buildings. No, that's not what i'm saying. I'm telling you, in the name of Jesus Christ: Believe the Bible's definition of church, not society's definiton of it.
Heed what God's word says, not what man has tried to make of it.
And if you are born again of the Spirit of God, then you are at liberty to go wherever you want to, even if it is an unBiblical organization; however, you NEED church how the Bible says.
Don't miss out on fellowship and the Spirit of God. You need to get built up on your most holy faith.
You need the things of God in order to do that, not the things of man.
You will not ever walk like Jesus walked, if you hold to the traditions of men.
So even if you do attend a specific "church" building, don't forsake assembling together, the Biblical way. I tell you these things for your good, so that you don't fall, in these last days.

Do you believe in church, like the Bible says?

Please take a look at the following:
  • Hebrews 10:24-26,
  • Acts 2:41-47,
  • Acts 4:31-37,
  • 1Peter 4:7-11,
  • Ephesians 4:1-16,
  • Proverbs 27:17,
  • and Ephesians 5:27 & 32

[EXCERPT from a reference book about the original church]
" They did not invite friends to the church gatherings to win them to Christ. The church services were not geared for the unbelievers, but for the saints. The closest we get to evangelism when the church is gathered, is 1Corinthians 14:22-25, which reads in part, 'IF ALL PROPHESY, AND THERE COME IN ONE THAT BELIEVETH NOT, OR one UNLEARNED, HE IS CONVINCED OF ALL ... SO FALLING DOWN ON his FACE HE WILL WORSHIP GOD, AND REPORT THAT GOD IS IN YOU OF A TRUTH.' Paul never tells us to target our church services toward the unbeliever, but if one should enter they should be impressed that God is certainly among you. However, while the emphasis of the church gathered should not be on evangelism, the focus of the church scattered should be. As members of the body of Christ live out their lives in the world, they should always be ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you. (1Peter 3:15) "
[end of EXCERPT]
There is a great need that you read the Bible. That is how you will know what church is right, and what "church" is man's invention instead of God's.
Jesus Christ is not coming back for religious organizations. He's coming to get His church.
Many follow religious traditions while assuming that they're following God's word.
Please don't get rejected by Jesus Christ. Those who call Him "Lord", but don't do what He says, will be rejected by Him.

"the light of the world" Matt 5:14, John 8:12, and 



WARNING,REBUKING,CORRECTING ,Restoring those fallen away under Strong Delusion is Not Easy, Many were NEVER SAVED in The First Place, Some Father God says NO to He Gave them over Already Cause They LOVE NOT The TRUTH But Have Pleasure in unrightouness, So they are Turn...ed over To Satan already , I Wish People REALLY Knew What A real Watchman Goes Through, The Pain, The Sadness, The Weeping before The Lord ,
yes interceding in the Holy Spirit for those Deceived,fallen away,, last night I went for a walk and just cried out to the Lord Yahweh, I hurt so bad from so many falling away, not running the race to FINISH Well and win the prize,Enduring to The End as Jesus Said matt 24, Having No Friends or Fellowship or Family here in person is the hardest CROSS I ever have had to Bare, Many Tears Flow daily ,:( Almost every Night I pray for a Friend even one Friend to walk along side me in the Faith. But none for 2 years , its Really been hard , Cause Those WHO Refuse to be Restored,Receive Correction,Rebuke, They LOVE The Goody Words of Exhortation But Chastisment THEY DEPISE !
Pro 3:11 My son, do not despise the chastening of the LORD, Nor detest His correction
Pro 5:12 And say: "How I have hated instruction, And my heart despised correction
Pro 10:17 He who keeps instruction [is in] the way of life, But he who refuses correction goes astray.
Pro 12:1 Whoever loves instruction loves knowledge, But he who hates correction [is] stupid.
Pro 13:18 Poverty and shame [will come] to him who disdains correction, But he who regards a rebuke will be honored.
Pro 15:5 A fool despises his father's instruction, But he who receives correction is prudent.
Pro 15:10 Harsh discipline [is] for him who forsakes the way, [And] he who hates correction will die.
Pro 16:22 Understanding [is] a wellspring of life to him who has it. But the correction of fools [is] folly.
Pro 22:15 Foolishness [is] bound up in the heart of a child; The rod of correction will drive it far from him.
Pro 23:13 Do not withhold correction from a child, For [if] you beat him with a rod, he will not die.
Jer 7:28 "So you shall say to them, 'This [is] a nation that does not obey the voice of the LORD their God nor receive correction. Truth has perished and has been cut off from their mouth. Job 5:17 "Behold, happy [is] the man whom God corrects; Therefore do not despise the chastening of the Almighty.
Job 22:4 "Is it because of your fear of Him that He corrects you, And enters into judgment with you?
Pro 3:12 For whom the LORD loves He corrects, Just as a father the son [in whom] he delights.
Pro 9:7 "He who corrects a scoffer gets shame for himself, And he who rebukes a wicked [man only] harms himself.
Pro 15:12 A scoffer does not love one who corrects him, Nor will he go to the wise.
...2Ti 3:16 All Scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

2Ti 3:17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. ....