SILENCE FALSE PROPHET's FEAR MONGERS FOR A BUCK -> Scaring sheep to Death with Lies of False Flag events That NEVER Happened here are a few of them Big name ones -> NATHAN LEAL, Rick Wiles,Steve Quayle, David Lankford, Augusto Perez, Vincent Xavier ,Shannon Davis-(Omega man radio)PROPHESYING LIES , false- DREAMS,VISIONS !
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NATHAN
LEAL of Watchmans Cry AND HIS RADIO MEDIA TYPE "FEAR MONGERS" Steve
Quayle, David Lankford, Augusto Perez, Vincent Xavier AND OTHERS LIKE
THEM SCARING SHEEP WITH FALSE PROPHECIES FALSE DREAMS AND VISIONS ! THAT NEVER COME TO PASS
THIS LINK REVEALS MANY MANY OF NATHAN LEALS FALSE PROPHECIES THAT NEVER HAPPENED ->> http://endtimedelusion.com/2011/08/30/speaking-without-the-authority/
one of them said I HEARD FROM GOD that The White House has hidden NUKES Gonna go off on Oct 10-11 of 2009 in the front fountain false Prophet Vincent Xavier said, and it never happened at all ,
HERE is a BROTHER CALLING Out False Prophet Vincent Xavier-> http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD24AD1DFAAEC583F
Nathan is also working with Undercover SATANIST Caught here -> http://watchmans-cry-exposed.blogspot.com/
and Nathan Leal and the other wolves all backed this false prophet and said he just missed God , covering for what the bible calls "A FALSE PROPHET" which Bible tells us not to listen to them GOD DID NOT SEND THEM, OR TELL THEM TO SPEAK IN HIS NAME, INCLUDING THEIR FALSE DREAMS AND VISIONS THAT DO NOT LINE UP WITH SCRIPTURE BIBLE OR EVEN HAPPENS , GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONCUSSION BUT PEACE AND JOY UNTO ALL THE CHURCHES BIBLE SAYS , GOD DOES HAVE HIS TRUE WATCHMEN LIE TO YOU A FALSE VISION FALSE DREAM, FALSE WORDS, WHEN HE HAS SERVANTS SPEAK(PREACH)IT IS BY THE HOLY SPIRIT OF TRUTH THEY SPEAK AND IT COMES TO PASS 100% AS SCRIPTURES SAYS IT MUST ! TO BE A REAL WATCHMEN PROPHET ! OTHERWISE YOU HAVE A COUNTERFEIT DIVINATION SPIRIT'S (WITCHCRAFT) KUNDILINI, DOCTRINES OF DEMONS IS THEIR SPIRIT THEY ARE OPERATING OUT OF JUST LIKE THE PHYSIC HOTLINE AND THE ELIJAH LIST DIVINERS AS JER 23 SAYS BELOW IN ALL THE SCRIPTURES OF FALSE PROPHETS BELOW ->
BIBLE SAYS ->
Jeremiah 23:25 “I have heard what the (False Watchmen)prophets have said who prophesy lies in My name, saying, ‘I have dreamed, I have dreamed!’
Jeremiah 14:14 And the Lord said to me, “The(FALSE) prophets prophesy lies in My name. I have not sent them, commanded them, nor spoken to them; they prophesy to you a false vision, divination, a worthless thing, and the deceit of their heart.
HE NATHAN IS ON RECORD SET DATES THAT FLORIDA WOULD SINK INTO THE OCEAN FLOOD ALL OVER STATE DURING THE GULF OIL SPILL IT didn't happen !, AND FALSE PREDICTIONS OF A "BANK HOLIDAY" ALL BANKS CLOSING FEAR MONGERED EVERYONE TO TAKE THEIR MONEY OUT OF THE BANKS ,it didn't happen
ALL THESE FALSE PROPHETS RADIO/TV FEAR MONGERS JESUS >DID NOT SEND< OR PUT HIS WORD or PROPHECY in these men mouth's THEY SPOKE LIES, FALSE DREAMS AND VISIONS "THUS SAITH THE LORD"
1 John 4:1
2 Cor 6;14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? 15 And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? 16 And what agreement has the temple of God (Your Bodies and Life) with idols? For you[b] are the temple of the living God. As God has said:
SEE -> http://watchmanscry.com/Christmas%20legalism.html
Here is a GOOGLE SEARCH On NATHAN LEALS Many False Prophecies and His PAK of WOLVES "Fear Mongers for a Buck Radio Pals "->> https://www.google.com/search?q=FALSE+PROPHECY+OF+nathan+leal&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.yahoo%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&client=firefox
Stop Giving These False Prophet DIVINERS Money and CUT THEM off From The Body of Christ Don't Listen to them or their False Radio shows of TV or Blogs or Forums They are LIARS For Satan and Take your Money and SCARE You with FEAR of Events That NEVER HAPPEN !
BIBLE SAYS -> Jeremiah 23:25 “I have heard what the prophets have said who prophesy lies in My name, saying, ‘I have dreamed, I have dreamed!’
Jeremiah 14:14 And the Lord said to me, “The prophets prophesy lies in My name. I have not sent them, commanded them, nor spoken to them; they prophesy to you a false vision, divination, a worthless thing, and the deceit of their heart.
NATHAN AND HIS PACK OF WOLVES ARE FALSE PROPHETS WITH FALSE DREAMS AND VISIONS , THEY ARE OF THE SPIRIT DIVINATION "FEAR MONGER" FALSE PROPHETS OF BAAL NOT JESUS CHRIST , HE NOT ONLY HAS FALSE DREAMS AND VISIONS That DO NOT COME to Pass BUT NATHAN SUPPORTS ,BACKS,JUSTIFIES OTHER FALSE PROPHETS AND SAYING "THEY JUST MISSED IT" LOOK WHAT I FOUND NATHAN QUOTING OF FALSE PROPHECIES ON HIS FORUM that Started in 2009 HOLD False Prophets Accountable on His WATCHMAN'S Cry FORUM ->
Nathan's Avatar Nathan Nathan is offline Watchman on the Wall Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Sandpoint, Idaho Posts: 2,711 Watchmans Cry Forum He WRITES on COMENTS of a Thread calling out False PROPHECIES ->>
Nathan writes this on the Forum ->
Default If Vincent turns out to be wrong, that would mean he missed God. That would mean he made an error. But does that make him a false prophet?
Nathan
BIBLE SAYS TRUE PROPHETS HIT 100% NOT MISS IT LIKE NATHANS BUDDY Vincent Xavier WHO PROPHESIED IN THAT ON OCT 10 2009 THAT NUKES WOULD GO OFF THAT WERE HIDDEN INSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE FRONT FOUNTAIN ! THAT DID NOT HAPPEN HE IS A FALSE PROPHET ,
I POSTED ON HIS FORUM EXPOSING VINCENT AS A FALSE PROPHET AND NATHAN LEAL attacks my Thread BACKS THAT False Prophet MAN AND EXCUSES HIS FALSE PROPHECY AS "HE JUST MISSED IT" HE AND OTHERS COMPLETELY IGNORE THE BIBLE ON WHAT AND HOW TO HANDLE FALSE PROPHETS , NOT THE LOVEY DOVEY GOOSHY MOOSHY EMBRACE WOLVES IN SHEEPS GOSPEL THESE APOSTATES PREACH AND LIVE BY ,(SPIRIT of ANTICHRIST) NOT TRUTH OF SCRIPTURE GOD HAS SPOKEN IN THE BIBLE , THEY SPEAK BY THE SPIRIT OF ANTI CHRIST KUNDILINI DEMONS THEY ALLOWED IMPARTED ON THEM YEARS BACK AND ARE STILL A MESS FROM THEM,
My THREAD I Made Exposing False Prophecy on W.C. Forum ->
Holding ALL False prophets Accountable -Pastor Vince Xavier gave for today Oct 11 at 9am Dc Nuke going off didn't happen !
Holding False prophets Accountable -The word that Pastor Vince Xavier gave for today Oct 11 at 9am Dc Nuke going off didn't happen ! This is the Word God gave me to send him for His False words spoken to The body of Christ ! and i attached the 2 emails i sent him, let us watch and Pray bro many false prophets have gone out into The World trying to deceive The very Elect if Possible ! 1st email: Dear Pastor Vince Xavier, Looks Like Your Wrong About DC being Nuked and The BIBLE Calls You a FALSE PROPHET ! Stop Speaking in God's Name and Lying to The Body of Christ ! His response->Sir, You are misinformed. Please hold your stones for a few more weeks my repley 2nd Email: responding Scripturally Dear Pastor Vince Xavier, you gave dates of Oct 10 and Oct 11 in the 9am hour ? "IT IS Recorded" Prophets are not to give Dates ,if God has NOT Spoken These ,David Wilkerson Never Gave dates about Sept. 11 and He has Prophesied Correctly You Gave These Dates of OCT 11 in The 9am Hour,and it DID NOT COME to PASS !!!! YOU Must Know THE BODY of CHRIST is Gonna Hold you Accountable, False Prophet's need to be REBUKED Sharply as The Scripture's Teach , and Not just you all The Others who say they hear God Deliever a FALSE meassage to strike fear into The Church and nothing happens when they say,Thus saith The Lord . This is Jesus Christ's Church Its a Fearful thing to fall into The HANDS OF THE LIVING GOD ! Anyone who stumbles His SHEEP will be Judged !
Nathan leal Attacked me and other TRUE BEREANS who Search The Scriptures and OBEY Them Like MidnightOil on that Thread Lynn Clark Nathan also attacked her , a Godly woman Grounded in the Word of God and Knows all about NAR False Prophets , Nathan attacked us all many Times , name called, Accused us, Slandered us all over and Me on his Radio Show for Me standing for Truth and Exposing CULTS and Wolves, Nathan is NOT a WATCHMAN at All But a WOLF Protector and False Doctrine defender , He allows Wolves in sheep's clothing all over his forum to post False Teachings and Heresy and when True brethren chanlange the False Doctrine and Demon manifestations The Wolves turn on The DEFENDERS of The Faith and Nathan and Donna attack the forum members .
Even at Nathan's HOME CHURCH member's meeting's at Nathans House Weekly Sherry Russell wrote me a Email of Sheep abuse and Controling CULT Like Behavior from Nathan and Donna
Sherry Russell wrote me this ->>
Jer 28:9 As for the prophet who prophesies
of peace, when the word of the prophet comes to pass, the prophet will
be known [as] one whom the LORD has truly sent."
Deu 13:4 You shall walk after the LORD your God and fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice; you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him.
Deu 13:5 But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has spoken in order to turn you away from the LORD your God,(Fear monger) (scaring Saints) who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of bondage, to entice you from the way in which the LORD your God commanded you to walk. So you shall put away the evil from your midst.
Jer 14:14 And the LORD said to me, "The prophets prophesy lies in My name. I have not sent them, commanded them, nor spoken to them; they prophesy to you a false vision, divination, a worthless thing, and the deceit of their heart.
Jer 23:25 "I have heard what the prophets have said who prophesy lies in My name, saying, 'I have dreamed, I have dreamed!'
Jer 23:26 How long will [this] be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Indeed [they are] prophets of the deceit of their own heart,
Jer 23:27 who try to make My people forget My name by their dreams which everyone tells his neighbor, as their fathers forgot My name for Baal.
Jer 23:28 "The prophet who has a dream, let him tell a dream; And he who has My word, let him speak My word faithfully. What [is] the chaff to the wheat?" says the LORD.
Jer 23:30 "Therefore behold, I [am] against the prophets," says the LORD, "who steal My words every one from his neighbor.
Jer 23:31 Behold, I [am] against the prophets," says the LORD, "who use their tongues and say, 'He says.'
Jer 23:32 Behold, I [am] against those who prophesy false dreams," says the LORD, "and tell them, and cause My people to err by their lies and by their recklessness. Yet I did not send them or command them; therefore they shall not profit this people at all," says the LORD.
Jer 23:33 "So when these people or the prophet or the priest ask you, saying, 'What is the oracle of the LORD?' you shall then say to them, 'What oracle?' [fn] I will even forsake you," says the LORD.
Jer 23:34 "And [as for] the prophet and the priest and the people who say, 'The oracle of the LORD!' I will even punish that man and his house.
Jer 23:35 Thus every one of you shall say to his neighbor, and every one to his brother, 'What has the LORD answered?' and, 'What has the LORD spoken?'
Jer 23:36 And the oracle of the LORD you shall mention no more. For every man's word will be his oracle, for you have perverted the words of the living God, the LORD of hosts, our God.
Jer 23:37 Thus you shall say to the prophet, 'What has the LORD answered you?' and, 'What has the LORD spoken?'
Jer 23:38 But since you say, 'The oracle of the LORD!' therefore thus says the LORD: 'Because you say this word, "The oracle of the LORD!" and I have sent to you, saying, "Do not say, 'The oracle of the LORD!' "
Jer 23:39 therefore behold, I, even I, will utterly forget you and forsake you, and the city that I gave you and your fathers, and [will cast you] out of My presence.
Jer 23:40 And I will bring an everlasting reproach upon you, and a perpetual shame, which shall not be forgotten.' "
ALL OVER NATHAN LEALS FORUM HE AND MANY OF FALSE PROPHETS AND APOSTATES EXCUSE THE SCRIPTURES AWAY ABOVE AND EMBRACE FALSE PROPHETS false Doctrines That many of us Grounded in the Word Disciples of Christ seen were FALSE writing on His Forum and We posted Scripture correction over the False teachings, and Nathan and Donna and Some of his WOLF admins would attack and Ban us for Speaking The TRUTH and posting Scripture ,The they would Slander us all over the Watchman Cry Forum and Sow seeds of discord among the Brethren Which are 6 of the Things God Hates in Proverbs 6
Those W..C. Forum Wolves WHO SPEAK BY A DIFFERENT SPIRIT AND NOT CHRIST ! or the Word of God BIBLE as the Final Authority THEY HIDE BEHIND THE FALSE BANNER OF LOVE LOVE LOVE ! WHEN GOD SPEAKS HE MAKES IT HAPPEN AS HE SAYS IT WILL HAPPEN NO IF'S,AND'S OR BUT'S ABOUT , SCRIPTURE REPROVES THESE LIARS SPEAKING IN YAHWEHS NAME ,
so on Nathans W.C.Forum He attacks Sheep, abuses,accuses,slanders the member's , Makes them look like fools on the threads , calls them names , He even slandered me personally on one of his Rick wiles radio shows, Nathan said publicly I was Crazy mental Patient off my Meds. that escaped from the mental hospital and I was a liar on his radio show, all The W.C. forum member's heard him say this Slander and many Rebuked him for this and Nathan and Donna started banning the GOOD MEMBERS who were walking with Christ in SPIRIT and In Truth saying Nathan You are Wrong for attacking brother Lawrence or they knew me as Larry there.
NATHANS QUOTE ON HIS OWN THREAD ON W.C. FORUM EXCUSING FALSE PROPHET->> "If Vincent turns out to be wrong, that would mean he missed God. But does that make him a false prophet?" Nathan
WE SEE NATHANS FRUIT HERE AND HIS OWN FALSE PROPHECIES,FALSE DREAM, FALSE VISIONS THAT SCARE SHEEP OF JESUS CHRIST TO DEATH AND THEIR PROPHIECS OF DIVINATION DO NOT COME TO PASS , THERE SCRIPTURE CALLS THEM OUT AS FALSE PROPHET'S NOT HERO'S , WE ARE TO MARK THEM AND AVOID THEM BIBLE SAYS AND EXPOSE THEM
Romans 16:17
Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple
Ephesians 5:11
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret.
NATHAN WANTS TO EMBRACE DARKNESS OF FALSE PROPHETS HE CALLS THAT UNITY, LOVE OF THE BRETHREN ?? HMMM I SEE ANTICHRIST SPIRIT WORKING IN NATHAN AND THESE OTHERS BIG TIME !
LOOK WHAT I FOUND NATHAN QUOTING OF FALSE PROPHECIES ON HIS FORUM -> Nathan's Avatar Nathan Nathan is offline Watchman on the Wall Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Sandpoint, Idaho Posts: 2,711 Default If Vincent turns out to be wrong, that would mean he missed God. That would mean he made an error. But does that make him a false prophet? Nathan
HERE is a BROTHER CALLING Out False Prophecies -> http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD24AD1DFAAEC583F
***OTHER LINKS EXPOSING THESE WOLVES JESUS WARNED US ABOUT IN MATT 24 ->
http://endtimedelusion.com/2011/08/30/speaking-without-the-authority/ Prophetic Dream/Vision Revelation number 1 (Floods In South Florida, 2008): June 23, 2008, the Watchman NATHAN LEAL issued a prophetic dream in which he saw flooding coming to the southern part of the state of Florida. Here are excerpts from his dream: In my dream I saw the state of Florida appear suddenly in front of me. Suddenly, the shape of Florida dropped straight down into a bucket of water that was below it. The bucket was full of water so the bottom of Florida was under water. Now, if this dream means that Florida will suffer a storm, it looks like the flooding will be in the southern part of the state. So Southern Florida, be warned. The Northern parts will receive an amount of water also, but not as bad as the south. *(1) Posts Tagged ‘Nathan Leal Powerful Delusion -> http://onesimusfiles.wordpress.com/tag/nathan-leal/
ONLINE FEAR MONGER FALSE PROPHETS ->
CALL TO DISCERNMENT False Prophet Nathan Leal http://calltodiscernment.blogspot.com/2013/07/false-prophet-nathan-leal.html
CALL TO DISCERNMENT Rick Wiles false prophet http://calltodiscernment.blogspot.com/2013/01/false-prophet-rick-wiles.html
FALSE PROPHET FEAR MONGERS -> Steve Quayle, David Lankford, Augusto Perez, Vincent Xavier http://watchermeetup.50.forumer.com/steve-quayle-david-lankford-augusto-perez-vincent-xavier-t1184384-20.html
Watchmans Cry:Its forum Hypocrisy? http://watchmans-cry-exposed.blogspot.com/
BY Their Fruits Jesus Said you Shall Know Them The WOLVES The BAD TREE , Bad FRUIT ->
Matt 12;
LYING in JESUS NAME FALSE PROPHECIES ,FALSE DREAMS,FALSE VISIONS, TO SCARE SHEEP (FEAR MONGERING) SO SHEEP RUNNING AROUND SCARED OF FALSE JUDGMENT WORDS THAT DON'T HAPPEN TO MAKE THEM LOOSE THEIR FAITH IN GOD TO LOVE THEM ,PROTECT THEM AS PSALM 91 SAYS , AND THESE BAD TREE WOLVES, ABUSE, CONTROL, SLANDER, ATTACK, SOW SEEDS OF DISCORD AMONG CHRISTAIN BRETHREN , BARE FALSE WITNESS, LIE ABOUT OTHER CHRISTAINS TO DESTROY THEM IS BAD TREE BAD FRUIT = SONS OF THE DEVIL BRODD OF VIPERS JESUS SAID ABOVE , SPIRIT OF ANTICHRIST WORKING IN THE SONS OF DISOBEDIENCE ! LAWLESS ONES SCRIPTURE SAYS , WHO BIBLE SAY'S GET SENT TO HELL ! FOR THEIR EVIL ! LACK OF REPENTANCE !
HERE ARE MANY OF NATHAN LEAL 'S FALSE PROPHECIES ALONG WITH OTHERS LIKE HIM FEAR MONGERS ->
I have decided to have a close up look at an internet prophet named Nathan Leal of the Watchman’s Cry ministry, as a case in point. I find he is fast becoming one of the most adept at understanding the new rules of the prophecy game in today’s world. He has quickly become the prophet of choice for many on the internet today, rising to near celebrity status with his messages he delivers to his followers after having dreams or visions, which he states are sent to him from God. His prophetic star is certainly on the rise, as he also recently secured his own radio show with a permanent time slot on a very popular survivalist radio network. Everywhere you look on Christian internet forums, his name pops up and is generally greeted with much fawning and admiration. Anyone who dares venture on one of these forums to comment that a certain message he delivered does not seem to be from God is shouted down by a mob of fanactical devotees, and thoroughly ridiculed. I know, because I have tested the waters in Christian forums, and it is incredible how strident and unswerving in dedication his followers are.
Let’s start by having a look at what kind of prophetic utterances have been issued in previous years by this ministry, and from this we can build a kind of yardstick to use to measure whether this is truly Godly information emerging from this website, or if these are merely the visions and dreams of a man with ambition. We will then examine his most recent prophecy, and some interesting aspects of this latest “message from God.”
Prophetic Dream/Vision Revelation number 1 (Floods In South Florida, 2008):
June 23, 2008, the Watchman issued a prophetic dream in which he saw flooding coming to the southern part of the state of Florida. Here are excerpts from his dream:
Now this is an example of a prophecy that went so horribly askew, that one would think it would have been enough to elicit at least an apology. When he went so far as to say that our lives could depend on what he had to say in that MP3 broadcast, many people posting on the various Christian forums began passing the word to friends and acquaintances that a serious threat to all our lives existed. When someone announces that our lives are in danger because of a certain threat, and subsequently that threat turns out to be either not life-threatening or nonexistent, isn’t that a bit like yelling “fire” in a crowded theater?
Prophetic dream/vision/revelation number 4: (The Swine Flu Epidemic Prophecy, May 1, 2009)
In a broadcast on May 1, 2009, Nathan Leal issued what he called a message of great urgency. He explained that God had told Him to warn the people that they were about to receive the judgment of pestilence. God would send a great epidemic of swine flu upon the land for its transgressions. He claimed this was a part of the fourfold judgments mentioned in the Bible.
In a lengthy sermon he delivered on May 1, 2009 *(4), the watchman spoke about depopulation of the world as the agenda for the New World Order, and that the swine flu was one of the instruments of this agenda to wipe out hundreds of millions of people. He said that although it would be carried out by people, God was behind it in as much as He was allowing it as part of His fourfold judgment upon the land.
As we know now, this epidemic never gained any momentum at all. According to Wikipedia, the swine flu pandemic began to taper off in November 2009. In an article written in the Journal of the American Medical Association in September 2010, it was stated that”the 2009 H1N1 (swine) flu was no more severe than the seasonal flu.” The report went on to state: “children infected in the 2009 swine flu pandemic were no more likely to be hospitalized with complications or get pneumonia than those who catch seasonal strains.”
Does this sound like any of the judgments we read about in the Bible? We have to decide: was the prophet right in saying that God told him the swine flu was His judgment, or was the prophet in error, because he is mistaken about having the prophetic gifting? Would God send a weak strain of mild flu-like symptoms, that completely dies out in a few months, as one of the great, fourfold judgments spoken of in the Bible?
Prophetic dream/vision/revelation number 5: “War” With Iran: June 5, 2008
The Latest Prophetic Dream/Vision Revelation: Nuclear Attack On Hawaii and Missile Attack On Spokane (August 4, 2011)
“America’s New Pearl Harbor”*(6) is the title of watchman Leal’s latest excursion into prophetic release, and one of the most interesting for a number of reasons.
Here we have Mr. Leal relating that he found himself hovering in the air above the big island of Hawaii. He saw a missle leaving a vapor trail streak by and explode directly over the city of Honolulu. The explosion flash of white heat covered the islands of Hawaii and Maui. He saw the number 1,100,000 in glowing yellow/orange over the explosion. He said this number represented the number of people who would be killed. Suddenly he was transported to a new location, again hovering in the air, this time over the state of Washington. He saw a missle dropping directly on the city of Spokane. He saw a cloud that was orange / gray in color, rising to about 50,000 feet, but the buildings remained intact.
A few aspects of this message warrant looking at. First, he initially announced some of the details one week earlier, and said he could not say everthing that had been revealed to him prophetically. He said he sought counsel from friends as to whether or not to release the entire message. Aren’t all prophecies by their very nature commanded by God to be released? Or are some prophetic words just intended for the edification of the prophets themselves, and not intended for public release? The friends apparently advised him to release everything he had seen, or else blood might be on his hands for failure to give the full details. In response to his friends’ advice, the next week Mr. Leal recorded a hour-long audio detailing what he has seen prophetically. He also made up a written version in the form of an article, and put both audio and written transcript up on his website.
Now I just don’t know of any Biblical precedent for God to release prophetic information in such a way that it would not be immediately clear what to do with the information. I simply cannot stretch my imagination enough to get my head around the idea that revelation from God would come with so much uncertainty that a committee would need to be formed to get input and advice as to how to deal with it. Is there some kind of prophets association, where you get certification to judge other people’s prophecies, and the decision of the committee is final and binding on God? It seems that according to this new breed of internet seers, the prophecies of the Almighty God now have to pass through the filter of a human panel discussion before being released.
This reminds me of a failed prophecy by a friend of his in the prophetic circles last year, where Mr. Leal participated in a panel discussion after the prophecy had failed, and evaluated the prophecy. The concensus opinion, including that of Mr. Leal, was that the prophet had truly been hearing from the Holy Spirit! God’s word is pretty clear that we are not to judge any word through the lense of other people. We are to judge through Scripture alone. It is troubling how anyone who professes to be a Christian can not see the error of placing human opinion on the same level or even a higher level of truth as they place Scripture.
Another troubling aspect of this is that he has said that he does not have a date for the prophecy. Of course there is Biblical precedent for not having a date, but at the same time it leaves the prophet in a comfortable position where he can never be proven wrong. A handy “heads I win, tails you lose” position. Stacking the deck, if you will. Details are always hazy. Generalizations are used, without specifics. It seems prophets, too, learn from their mistakes.
But the most telling thing about this prophetic word will now play out as we watch to see if Mr. Leal moves himself and his family out of his home town of Priest River, Idaho. This location is about an hour’s drive from Spokane, certainly by no means a safe distance from a city that will be hit by a missile and experience an orange-grey cloud rising to 50,000 feet in the air. Does the prophet believe in his own prophecy? As of the time of this writing, I have not heard of any plans on his part to relocate to a safer part of the country, but you would think any real faith that it was God speaking to him would have him hastily moving eastward. I think it will speak volumes about his ministry if he doesn’t himself personally heed the warning God supposedly gave him to pass on to the rest of us.
Summarizing the State of Prophecy in 2011:
In this ministry we see in full bloom the maturing of the false prophetic style in the 21st century. Lots of publicity, lots of haughtiness, lots of bravado, but so little in terms of fulfillment. Fulfillment is claimed on things so general in nature that it becomes no more than a word game.
Dates and also specifics, sometimes such things as the exact nature of each event, are omitted. They are vague, saying God’s message to them is shadowy and incomplete. They plead that verse which is often misunderstood and misapplied, 1Corin. 13:9 “For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.” This verse is twisted and presented to mean that God is not clear when He reveals prophetic revelation to His prophets. It is used to imply that true prophecy is received from God much like in the old movies where you see the fortune teller looking through a hazy, smoky, crystal ball, trying to make out vague shapes and symbols. Nothing could be further from the truth, and nothing could be further from God’s word. Many prophets today think their job is to try to read the mind of God and interpret what they see. Reading minds is divination, which is forbidden by God. Prophecy is not an exercise in developing extrasensory perception. No human could ever succeed in attempting to read God’s mind. His ways are not our ways.
In Scripture, we know that the Lord is always clear and unambiguous, with never any hint of confusion. It is a device of the false prophets to claim that they don’t get specifics because God holds back the information to be mysterious. Either a prophet is getting his information from God, in which case it would be full and complete, or it is his own teaching, or information that comes from the desires of his own heart. “I am handicapped by limited prophetic information”, declares Mr. Leal. * (7)
Just listen to a brief excerpt from a vision he had:
Mr. Leal has now announced that he plans to have a place on his website where people can email their own prophetic dreams and visions to him for posting on the site. This kind of thing has already been taking place for some time now in the forum attached to his website. There is no discernment here at all. The same guy who says he himself is handicapped in receiving prophetic information is now opening the doors to any of his listeners to send prophecies in. Its a prophetic free-for-all. Everyone gets in on the act. They pay no attention to the third commandment that says we are never to take the name of the Lord in vain. This commandment is not about cussing or swearing, as some think. It is an admonishment to never speak falsely in His name. Much of the book of Jeremiah speaks about the danger of misquoting God. Jesus spoke about it as well, saying many will claim to speak with His authority, and speak lies. Paul spoke often about how many would come to falsely speak in the Lord’s name, leading many astray.
A major problem with Nathan Leal, and his ministry, is that nothing he ever extrapolates and magnifies from the headlines ever goes on to be a judgment from God like he claims. Everything just fizzles out, and he promptly just dusts himself off, and moves on to the next scare. What happened to the comet Elenin story? You know, the ”Endtime Destroyer” as he called it in his interview with Augusto Perez? He dropped that one like a hot potato after one broadcast, mentioning it only briefly on several occasions since then. That one had a date on it, (Sept. 29, 2011) and having a date on something makes him edgy.
You can already see the writing on the wall: nothing released in the future is likely to come with a date. Why take a chance at slipping up when you can keep your prophecies open-ended and risk-free? I found this one lone Leal prophecy, from November 29, 2009, that actually had a date on it, and notice how carefully it is worded:
In the three years or so this ministry has been up and running, the pattern has been almost hypnotic in its repetition: reading a story from the news headlines, and saying this story is the “big one” that’s going to be monumental and change the entire playing field. And the reason we need to educate ourselves on all these various doomsday scenarios is that, according to Mr. Leal, “people need to be prepared.” What kind of preparation does he recommend?
In true survivalist fashion, he wants to direct our energies inward to ourselves. Our resourcefulness, our ingenuity, and our keeping ourselves informed on news events are what he believes are going to make the difference between surviving the next disaster or becoming its victim. What does the Bible have to say about our survival? It tells us that nothing short of placing our trust entirely in the hands of our Lord Jesus Christ will have any lasting effect.
As a Christian you might be tempted to say “the man is merely calling out to those who will listen the need for repentance!” The underlying premise of all the doom and gloom prophets is the staunch belief they have that God is using them to warn of impending disaster and thus bring as many souls as possible to repentance to avoid having the terrible event come crashing down upon them. Does not the word of God itself deal with the need for repentance, and tell us the kind of repentance we should have??
Is the needed repentance the kind where we repent because we want to be spared from suffering the effects of the next disaster, as the watchman says? Or does true repentance look more like this: we humbly repent because we are truly sorry for having offended the Lord, and submit fully to His will, whether the storm hits us head on and destroys everything we have, or passes by harmlessly? When fear is our motivation for doing something, our hearts are tainted by that emotion. We cannot give freely and purely when our motivation is fear-based. When we offer our repentance to the Lord, it should not be because we are trying to strike a deal with God to be spared from suffering in this world. It must be a pure, unconditional offering to the Lord, whatever the physical outcome or the cost in material terms. We say “I am yours, Lord. Do with me as you will. Whatever the outcome, I will still place my trust entirely in you.”
Do ministries that simply preach the gospel and minister to the spiritually broken, somehow fall short of inspiring repentance because they don’t load up on and inject enough fear into the equation? Is it a given that increasing the amount of fear in the hearts of Christians today will result in an equal increase in the amount of true repentance? We have to look at this for what it implies. The implication is that any ministry that does not incite fear and trepidation in its flock is falling short of its purpose, and failing God in the performance of its duties. This is entirely untrue.
Somehow I can’t help but feel that if every Christian in America today got together and decided to reject fear completely, turn off the doomsday broadcasts, and put their entire trust in the Lord Almighty, this man would be disappointed instead of rejoicing. He would claim that we are all blissfully ignorant, blind to the great dangers that face us all.
Ministries like this are a one-trick act. With Nathan Leal, the only trick he’s got is fear. There’s nothing else in his arsenal. Take away the fear, and this ministry would implode upon itself. Its actually quite sad, because maybe his intentions are good. Maybe somewhere early on in his walk he actually wanted to do God’s will. But this certainly isn’t it. How do I know? Because being obsessed with fear, and passing that obsession on to thousands of Christians in the church is not God’s will for anyone’s life.
We need to understand that we as Christians have to be aware and be able to discern when people are speaking without the proper authority. Discernment is key to navigating in troubled waters. In John 7:18 we read:
To Nathan Leal and all the doomsday ministries out there, I have but one message: Yes, we understand that we live in troublesome and precarious times. We get that, in spite of your belief that most of us are unaware and ignorant. The peril of our times underscores the reason why people need to turn to the Scriptures more than ever these days. People need the solid rock of God’s word to cling to in times like this, not the shifting sands of dream interpretation or forming committees to decipher your visions. There will be a great accounting one day for all those who speak without the authority to do so.
All blessings in Christ,
THIS LINK REVEALS MANY MANY OF NATHAN LEALS FALSE PROPHECIES THAT NEVER HAPPENED ->> http://endtimedelusion.com/2011/08/30/speaking-without-the-authority/
AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS THREAD IS A LIST MANY OF NATHAN LEALS FALSE PROPHECIES THAT NEVER HAPPENED AS HE SAID READ THEM THROUGH
.These False Fear mongering False Watchmen,False prophets , have Speaking on Radio, TV and On Blogs for Years I been watching them ALL saying GOD gave me a DREAM ,a Vision, a Word of False flag Attacks, Martial Law is gonna happen,they say China was to come over to American Soil and take over our country and rule us, they say, Great earth quakes gonna destroy our cites, nothing happened, they said Nukes were gonna off in many Large Cites , NOTHING HAPPENED,one of them said I HEARD FROM GOD that The White House has hidden NUKES Gonna go off on Oct 10-11 of 2009 in the front fountain false Prophet Vincent Xavier said, and it never happened at all ,
HERE is a BROTHER CALLING Out False Prophet Vincent Xavier-> http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD24AD1DFAAEC583F
Nathan is also working with Undercover SATANIST Caught here -> http://watchmans-cry-exposed.blogspot.com/
and Nathan Leal and the other wolves all backed this false prophet and said he just missed God , covering for what the bible calls "A FALSE PROPHET" which Bible tells us not to listen to them GOD DID NOT SEND THEM, OR TELL THEM TO SPEAK IN HIS NAME, INCLUDING THEIR FALSE DREAMS AND VISIONS THAT DO NOT LINE UP WITH SCRIPTURE BIBLE OR EVEN HAPPENS , GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONCUSSION BUT PEACE AND JOY UNTO ALL THE CHURCHES BIBLE SAYS , GOD DOES HAVE HIS TRUE WATCHMEN LIE TO YOU A FALSE VISION FALSE DREAM, FALSE WORDS, WHEN HE HAS SERVANTS SPEAK(PREACH)IT IS BY THE HOLY SPIRIT OF TRUTH THEY SPEAK AND IT COMES TO PASS 100% AS SCRIPTURES SAYS IT MUST ! TO BE A REAL WATCHMEN PROPHET ! OTHERWISE YOU HAVE A COUNTERFEIT DIVINATION SPIRIT'S (WITCHCRAFT) KUNDILINI, DOCTRINES OF DEMONS IS THEIR SPIRIT THEY ARE OPERATING OUT OF JUST LIKE THE PHYSIC HOTLINE AND THE ELIJAH LIST DIVINERS AS JER 23 SAYS BELOW IN ALL THE SCRIPTURES OF FALSE PROPHETS BELOW ->
BIBLE SAYS ->
Jeremiah 23:25 “I have heard what the (False Watchmen)prophets have said who prophesy lies in My name, saying, ‘I have dreamed, I have dreamed!’
Jeremiah 14:14 And the Lord said to me, “The(FALSE) prophets prophesy lies in My name. I have not sent them, commanded them, nor spoken to them; they prophesy to you a false vision, divination, a worthless thing, and the deceit of their heart.
HE NATHAN IS ON RECORD SET DATES THAT FLORIDA WOULD SINK INTO THE OCEAN FLOOD ALL OVER STATE DURING THE GULF OIL SPILL IT didn't happen !, AND FALSE PREDICTIONS OF A "BANK HOLIDAY" ALL BANKS CLOSING FEAR MONGERED EVERYONE TO TAKE THEIR MONEY OUT OF THE BANKS ,it didn't happen
ALL THESE FALSE PROPHETS RADIO/TV FEAR MONGERS JESUS >DID NOT SEND< OR PUT HIS WORD or PROPHECY in these men mouth's THEY SPOKE LIES, FALSE DREAMS AND VISIONS "THUS SAITH THE LORD"
1 John 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
NATHAN IN HIS recent ARTICLE on Pagan
Christmas is Justifying Paganism HE WROTE IN HIS TEACHING TO BE LAWLESSNESS
COMMANDMENT BREAKING AGAINST JESUS CHRIST AND HIS WRITTEN WORD SCRIPTURES WARNING US NOT TO BE OF THE WORLD OR Conform to ITS EVIL PAGAN CUSTOMS WITH OCCULT TIES TO THEM Jeremiah 10
Idols and the True God
10 Hear the word which the Lord speaks to you, O house of Israel.
2 Thus says the Lord:
“Do not learn the way of the Gentiles;(PAGANS)
Do not be dismayed at the signs of heaven,
For the Gentiles(Pagans) are dismayed at them.
3 For the customs of the peoples are futile;
For one cuts a tree from the forest,
The work of the hands of the workman, with the ax.
4 They decorate it with silver and gold;(CHRISTMAS TREE's Pagan idols)
They fasten it with nails and hammers
So that it will not topple.
5 They are upright, like a palm tree,
And they cannot speak;
They must be carried,
Because they cannot go by themselves.
Do not be afraid of them,
For they cannot do evil,
Nor can they do any good.”
Do not be dismayed at the signs of heaven,
For the Gentiles(Pagans) are dismayed at them.
3 For the customs of the peoples are futile;
For one cuts a tree from the forest,
The work of the hands of the workman, with the ax.
4 They decorate it with silver and gold;(CHRISTMAS TREE's Pagan idols)
They fasten it with nails and hammers
So that it will not topple.
5 They are upright, like a palm tree,
And they cannot speak;
They must be carried,
Because they cannot go by themselves.
Do not be afraid of them,
For they cannot do evil,
Nor can they do any good.”
2 Cor 6;14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? 15 And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? 16 And what agreement has the temple of God (Your Bodies and Life) with idols? For you[b] are the temple of the living God. As God has said:
“I will dwell in them
And walk among them.
I will be their God,
And they shall be My people.”[c]
And walk among them.
I will be their God,
And they shall be My people.”[c]
17 Therefore
“Come out from among them
And be separate, says the Lord.
Do not touch what is unclean,
And I will receive you.”[d]
18 “I will be a Father to you,
And you shall be My sons and daughters,
Says the Lord Almighty.”[e]
And be separate, says the Lord.
Do not touch what is unclean,
And I will receive you.”[d]
18 “I will be a Father to you,
And you shall be My sons and daughters,
Says the Lord Almighty.”[e]
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
1 John 2:15
[ Do Not Love the World ] Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.
Here is a GOOGLE SEARCH On NATHAN LEALS Many False Prophecies and His PAK of WOLVES "Fear Mongers for a Buck Radio Pals "->> https://www.google.com/search?q=FALSE+PROPHECY+OF+nathan+leal&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.yahoo%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&client=firefox
Stop Giving These False Prophet DIVINERS Money and CUT THEM off From The Body of Christ Don't Listen to them or their False Radio shows of TV or Blogs or Forums They are LIARS For Satan and Take your Money and SCARE You with FEAR of Events That NEVER HAPPEN !
BIBLE SAYS -> Jeremiah 23:25 “I have heard what the prophets have said who prophesy lies in My name, saying, ‘I have dreamed, I have dreamed!’
Jeremiah 14:14 And the Lord said to me, “The prophets prophesy lies in My name. I have not sent them, commanded them, nor spoken to them; they prophesy to you a false vision, divination, a worthless thing, and the deceit of their heart.
NATHAN AND HIS PACK OF WOLVES ARE FALSE PROPHETS WITH FALSE DREAMS AND VISIONS , THEY ARE OF THE SPIRIT DIVINATION "FEAR MONGER" FALSE PROPHETS OF BAAL NOT JESUS CHRIST , HE NOT ONLY HAS FALSE DREAMS AND VISIONS That DO NOT COME to Pass BUT NATHAN SUPPORTS ,BACKS,JUSTIFIES OTHER FALSE PROPHETS AND SAYING "THEY JUST MISSED IT" LOOK WHAT I FOUND NATHAN QUOTING OF FALSE PROPHECIES ON HIS FORUM that Started in 2009 HOLD False Prophets Accountable on His WATCHMAN'S Cry FORUM ->
Nathan's Avatar Nathan Nathan is offline Watchman on the Wall Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Sandpoint, Idaho Posts: 2,711 Watchmans Cry Forum He WRITES on COMENTS of a Thread calling out False PROPHECIES ->>
Nathan writes this on the Forum ->
Default If Vincent turns out to be wrong, that would mean he missed God. That would mean he made an error. But does that make him a false prophet?
Nathan
BIBLE SAYS TRUE PROPHETS HIT 100% NOT MISS IT LIKE NATHANS BUDDY Vincent Xavier WHO PROPHESIED IN THAT ON OCT 10 2009 THAT NUKES WOULD GO OFF THAT WERE HIDDEN INSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE FRONT FOUNTAIN ! THAT DID NOT HAPPEN HE IS A FALSE PROPHET ,
I POSTED ON HIS FORUM EXPOSING VINCENT AS A FALSE PROPHET AND NATHAN LEAL attacks my Thread BACKS THAT False Prophet MAN AND EXCUSES HIS FALSE PROPHECY AS "HE JUST MISSED IT" HE AND OTHERS COMPLETELY IGNORE THE BIBLE ON WHAT AND HOW TO HANDLE FALSE PROPHETS , NOT THE LOVEY DOVEY GOOSHY MOOSHY EMBRACE WOLVES IN SHEEPS GOSPEL THESE APOSTATES PREACH AND LIVE BY ,(SPIRIT of ANTICHRIST) NOT TRUTH OF SCRIPTURE GOD HAS SPOKEN IN THE BIBLE , THEY SPEAK BY THE SPIRIT OF ANTI CHRIST KUNDILINI DEMONS THEY ALLOWED IMPARTED ON THEM YEARS BACK AND ARE STILL A MESS FROM THEM,
My THREAD I Made Exposing False Prophecy on W.C. Forum ->
Holding ALL False prophets Accountable -Pastor Vince Xavier gave for today Oct 11 at 9am Dc Nuke going off didn't happen !
Holding False prophets Accountable -The word that Pastor Vince Xavier gave for today Oct 11 at 9am Dc Nuke going off didn't happen ! This is the Word God gave me to send him for His False words spoken to The body of Christ ! and i attached the 2 emails i sent him, let us watch and Pray bro many false prophets have gone out into The World trying to deceive The very Elect if Possible ! 1st email: Dear Pastor Vince Xavier, Looks Like Your Wrong About DC being Nuked and The BIBLE Calls You a FALSE PROPHET ! Stop Speaking in God's Name and Lying to The Body of Christ ! His response->Sir, You are misinformed. Please hold your stones for a few more weeks my repley 2nd Email: responding Scripturally Dear Pastor Vince Xavier, you gave dates of Oct 10 and Oct 11 in the 9am hour ? "IT IS Recorded" Prophets are not to give Dates ,if God has NOT Spoken These ,David Wilkerson Never Gave dates about Sept. 11 and He has Prophesied Correctly You Gave These Dates of OCT 11 in The 9am Hour,and it DID NOT COME to PASS !!!! YOU Must Know THE BODY of CHRIST is Gonna Hold you Accountable, False Prophet's need to be REBUKED Sharply as The Scripture's Teach , and Not just you all The Others who say they hear God Deliever a FALSE meassage to strike fear into The Church and nothing happens when they say,Thus saith The Lord . This is Jesus Christ's Church Its a Fearful thing to fall into The HANDS OF THE LIVING GOD ! Anyone who stumbles His SHEEP will be Judged !
Nathan leal Attacked me and other TRUE BEREANS who Search The Scriptures and OBEY Them Like MidnightOil on that Thread Lynn Clark Nathan also attacked her , a Godly woman Grounded in the Word of God and Knows all about NAR False Prophets , Nathan attacked us all many Times , name called, Accused us, Slandered us all over and Me on his Radio Show for Me standing for Truth and Exposing CULTS and Wolves, Nathan is NOT a WATCHMAN at All But a WOLF Protector and False Doctrine defender , He allows Wolves in sheep's clothing all over his forum to post False Teachings and Heresy and when True brethren chanlange the False Doctrine and Demon manifestations The Wolves turn on The DEFENDERS of The Faith and Nathan and Donna attack the forum members .
Even at Nathan's HOME CHURCH member's meeting's at Nathans House Weekly Sherry Russell wrote me a Email of Sheep abuse and Controling CULT Like Behavior from Nathan and Donna
Sherry Russell wrote me this ->>
May 10
Hi Larry,
I
was not a member of the W.C.forum , but found the ministry in either late 2009 or early
2010. I never wanted to join, but watched the forum intently over the
last several years. I know that you were a member and banned, but don't
know what happened. I saw red flags with the way they were behaving on
the forum, and then I was recently very hurt from Nathan. He lied to me
on one occasion and did something very cold to me this week. I was
hoping to find out more to gain a deeper understanding of what's going
on behind the scene. I see bad fruit, games, control, and a lack of
accountability on their part. I believe that they are walking in the
flesh and not the spirit of God. Is there anything that you would be
willing to share? Thanks, Sherry
Hi
Patricia and Larry,
I
had connected with you last fall and we exchanged a few emails about
some of the stuff going on in the churches. I was wondering if you have
any discernment about Watchman's Cry Ministries with Nathan Leal? I have
looked at his website and listened to him for about the last 3 1/2
years. I did see some problems with his forum, but just put it on a
shelf. I always felt that something was 'off', but couldn't pin point
it. Earlier this year he stated he was having fellowship meetings at Nathan's house and
opened it up to people in the area. We live about 3 hours away, but
decided to go, because I believed that the Lord wanted us to fellowship
and we hadn't found another place. We went to the fellowship meetings
for a couple of months, and we were even discussing preps. Then he sent
an
email, stating that all future meetings were cancelled with no
explanation. It seemed very cold, hurtful, unChristlike. Earlier this
year in January, he lied to me about something in an email, which I was
really taken aback by. I think that your cohost Lawrence was a member
on their forum before, and I wondered if I might even connect with him
to find out more. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
God bless,
Sherry
Out of the Mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses let every word be established ! Nathan' bad fruit is Exposed !
Deu 13:4 You shall walk after the LORD your God and fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice; you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him.
Deu 13:5 But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has spoken in order to turn you away from the LORD your God,(Fear monger) (scaring Saints) who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of bondage, to entice you from the way in which the LORD your God commanded you to walk. So you shall put away the evil from your midst.
Jer 14:14 And the LORD said to me, "The prophets prophesy lies in My name. I have not sent them, commanded them, nor spoken to them; they prophesy to you a false vision, divination, a worthless thing, and the deceit of their heart.
Jer 23:25 "I have heard what the prophets have said who prophesy lies in My name, saying, 'I have dreamed, I have dreamed!'
Jer 23:26 How long will [this] be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Indeed [they are] prophets of the deceit of their own heart,
Jer 23:27 who try to make My people forget My name by their dreams which everyone tells his neighbor, as their fathers forgot My name for Baal.
Jer 23:28 "The prophet who has a dream, let him tell a dream; And he who has My word, let him speak My word faithfully. What [is] the chaff to the wheat?" says the LORD.
Jer 23:30 "Therefore behold, I [am] against the prophets," says the LORD, "who steal My words every one from his neighbor.
Jer 23:31 Behold, I [am] against the prophets," says the LORD, "who use their tongues and say, 'He says.'
Jer 23:32 Behold, I [am] against those who prophesy false dreams," says the LORD, "and tell them, and cause My people to err by their lies and by their recklessness. Yet I did not send them or command them; therefore they shall not profit this people at all," says the LORD.
Jer 23:33 "So when these people or the prophet or the priest ask you, saying, 'What is the oracle of the LORD?' you shall then say to them, 'What oracle?' [fn] I will even forsake you," says the LORD.
Jer 23:34 "And [as for] the prophet and the priest and the people who say, 'The oracle of the LORD!' I will even punish that man and his house.
Jer 23:35 Thus every one of you shall say to his neighbor, and every one to his brother, 'What has the LORD answered?' and, 'What has the LORD spoken?'
Jer 23:36 And the oracle of the LORD you shall mention no more. For every man's word will be his oracle, for you have perverted the words of the living God, the LORD of hosts, our God.
Jer 23:37 Thus you shall say to the prophet, 'What has the LORD answered you?' and, 'What has the LORD spoken?'
Jer 23:38 But since you say, 'The oracle of the LORD!' therefore thus says the LORD: 'Because you say this word, "The oracle of the LORD!" and I have sent to you, saying, "Do not say, 'The oracle of the LORD!' "
Jer 23:39 therefore behold, I, even I, will utterly forget you and forsake you, and the city that I gave you and your fathers, and [will cast you] out of My presence.
Jer 23:40 And I will bring an everlasting reproach upon you, and a perpetual shame, which shall not be forgotten.' "
ALL OVER NATHAN LEALS FORUM HE AND MANY OF FALSE PROPHETS AND APOSTATES EXCUSE THE SCRIPTURES AWAY ABOVE AND EMBRACE FALSE PROPHETS false Doctrines That many of us Grounded in the Word Disciples of Christ seen were FALSE writing on His Forum and We posted Scripture correction over the False teachings, and Nathan and Donna and Some of his WOLF admins would attack and Ban us for Speaking The TRUTH and posting Scripture ,The they would Slander us all over the Watchman Cry Forum and Sow seeds of discord among the Brethren Which are 6 of the Things God Hates in Proverbs 6
Those W..C. Forum Wolves WHO SPEAK BY A DIFFERENT SPIRIT AND NOT CHRIST ! or the Word of God BIBLE as the Final Authority THEY HIDE BEHIND THE FALSE BANNER OF LOVE LOVE LOVE ! WHEN GOD SPEAKS HE MAKES IT HAPPEN AS HE SAYS IT WILL HAPPEN NO IF'S,AND'S OR BUT'S ABOUT , SCRIPTURE REPROVES THESE LIARS SPEAKING IN YAHWEHS NAME ,
so on Nathans W.C.Forum He attacks Sheep, abuses,accuses,slanders the member's , Makes them look like fools on the threads , calls them names , He even slandered me personally on one of his Rick wiles radio shows, Nathan said publicly I was Crazy mental Patient off my Meds. that escaped from the mental hospital and I was a liar on his radio show, all The W.C. forum member's heard him say this Slander and many Rebuked him for this and Nathan and Donna started banning the GOOD MEMBERS who were walking with Christ in SPIRIT and In Truth saying Nathan You are Wrong for attacking brother Lawrence or they knew me as Larry there.
NATHANS QUOTE ON HIS OWN THREAD ON W.C. FORUM EXCUSING FALSE PROPHET->> "If Vincent turns out to be wrong, that would mean he missed God. But does that make him a false prophet?" Nathan
WE SEE NATHANS FRUIT HERE AND HIS OWN FALSE PROPHECIES,FALSE DREAM, FALSE VISIONS THAT SCARE SHEEP OF JESUS CHRIST TO DEATH AND THEIR PROPHIECS OF DIVINATION DO NOT COME TO PASS , THERE SCRIPTURE CALLS THEM OUT AS FALSE PROPHET'S NOT HERO'S , WE ARE TO MARK THEM AND AVOID THEM BIBLE SAYS AND EXPOSE THEM
Romans 16:17
Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple
Ephesians 5:11
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret.
NATHAN WANTS TO EMBRACE DARKNESS OF FALSE PROPHETS HE CALLS THAT UNITY, LOVE OF THE BRETHREN ?? HMMM I SEE ANTICHRIST SPIRIT WORKING IN NATHAN AND THESE OTHERS BIG TIME !
LOOK WHAT I FOUND NATHAN QUOTING OF FALSE PROPHECIES ON HIS FORUM -> Nathan's Avatar Nathan Nathan is offline Watchman on the Wall Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Sandpoint, Idaho Posts: 2,711 Default If Vincent turns out to be wrong, that would mean he missed God. That would mean he made an error. But does that make him a false prophet? Nathan
HERE is a BROTHER CALLING Out False Prophecies -> http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD24AD1DFAAEC583F
***OTHER LINKS EXPOSING THESE WOLVES JESUS WARNED US ABOUT IN MATT 24 ->
http://endtimedelusion.com/2011/08/30/speaking-without-the-authority/ Prophetic Dream/Vision Revelation number 1 (Floods In South Florida, 2008): June 23, 2008, the Watchman NATHAN LEAL issued a prophetic dream in which he saw flooding coming to the southern part of the state of Florida. Here are excerpts from his dream: In my dream I saw the state of Florida appear suddenly in front of me. Suddenly, the shape of Florida dropped straight down into a bucket of water that was below it. The bucket was full of water so the bottom of Florida was under water. Now, if this dream means that Florida will suffer a storm, it looks like the flooding will be in the southern part of the state. So Southern Florida, be warned. The Northern parts will receive an amount of water also, but not as bad as the south. *(1) Posts Tagged ‘Nathan Leal Powerful Delusion -> http://onesimusfiles.wordpress.com/tag/nathan-leal/
ONLINE FEAR MONGER FALSE PROPHETS ->
CALL TO DISCERNMENT False Prophet Nathan Leal http://calltodiscernment.blogspot.com/2013/07/false-prophet-nathan-leal.html
CALL TO DISCERNMENT Rick Wiles false prophet http://calltodiscernment.blogspot.com/2013/01/false-prophet-rick-wiles.html
FALSE PROPHET FEAR MONGERS -> Steve Quayle, David Lankford, Augusto Perez, Vincent Xavier http://watchermeetup.50.forumer.com/steve-quayle-david-lankford-augusto-perez-vincent-xavier-t1184384-20.html
Watchmans Cry:Its forum Hypocrisy? http://watchmans-cry-exposed.blogspot.com/
BY Their Fruits Jesus Said you Shall Know Them The WOLVES The BAD TREE , Bad FRUIT ->
Matt 12;
A Tree Known by Its Fruit
33 “Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or else make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for a tree is known by its fruit. 34 Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. 35 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart[g] brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things. 36 But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment. 37 For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”LYING in JESUS NAME FALSE PROPHECIES ,FALSE DREAMS,FALSE VISIONS, TO SCARE SHEEP (FEAR MONGERING) SO SHEEP RUNNING AROUND SCARED OF FALSE JUDGMENT WORDS THAT DON'T HAPPEN TO MAKE THEM LOOSE THEIR FAITH IN GOD TO LOVE THEM ,PROTECT THEM AS PSALM 91 SAYS , AND THESE BAD TREE WOLVES, ABUSE, CONTROL, SLANDER, ATTACK, SOW SEEDS OF DISCORD AMONG CHRISTAIN BRETHREN , BARE FALSE WITNESS, LIE ABOUT OTHER CHRISTAINS TO DESTROY THEM IS BAD TREE BAD FRUIT = SONS OF THE DEVIL BRODD OF VIPERS JESUS SAID ABOVE , SPIRIT OF ANTICHRIST WORKING IN THE SONS OF DISOBEDIENCE ! LAWLESS ONES SCRIPTURE SAYS , WHO BIBLE SAY'S GET SENT TO HELL ! FOR THEIR EVIL ! LACK OF REPENTANCE !
HERE ARE MANY OF NATHAN LEAL 'S FALSE PROPHECIES ALONG WITH OTHERS LIKE HIM FEAR MONGERS ->
I have decided to have a close up look at an internet prophet named Nathan Leal of the Watchman’s Cry ministry, as a case in point. I find he is fast becoming one of the most adept at understanding the new rules of the prophecy game in today’s world. He has quickly become the prophet of choice for many on the internet today, rising to near celebrity status with his messages he delivers to his followers after having dreams or visions, which he states are sent to him from God. His prophetic star is certainly on the rise, as he also recently secured his own radio show with a permanent time slot on a very popular survivalist radio network. Everywhere you look on Christian internet forums, his name pops up and is generally greeted with much fawning and admiration. Anyone who dares venture on one of these forums to comment that a certain message he delivered does not seem to be from God is shouted down by a mob of fanactical devotees, and thoroughly ridiculed. I know, because I have tested the waters in Christian forums, and it is incredible how strident and unswerving in dedication his followers are.
Let’s start by having a look at what kind of prophetic utterances have been issued in previous years by this ministry, and from this we can build a kind of yardstick to use to measure whether this is truly Godly information emerging from this website, or if these are merely the visions and dreams of a man with ambition. We will then examine his most recent prophecy, and some interesting aspects of this latest “message from God.”
Prophetic Dream/Vision Revelation number 1 (Floods In South Florida, 2008):
June 23, 2008, the Watchman issued a prophetic dream in which he saw flooding coming to the southern part of the state of Florida. Here are excerpts from his dream:
In my dream I saw the state of Florida
appear suddenly in front of me. Suddenly, the shape of Florida dropped
straight down into a bucket of water that was below it. The bucket was
full of water so the bottom of Florida was under water.
Now, if this dream means that Florida will suffer a storm, it looks like the flooding will be in the southern part of the state. So Southern Florida, be warned. The Northern parts will receive an amount of water also, but not as bad as the south. *(1)
On August 20, 2008, the Watchman posted an
update on his website claiming that the prophetic dream had been
fulfilled by the passing of tropical storm Fay. Other than the obvious
questions that arise from this claim, i.e., that prophesying a storm to
occur in Florida during hurricane season hardly requires divine
revelation, all news reports related that the storm spent most of its
time in central and northern counties of the state. Brevard, Duval,
and Volusia were among the hardest hit counties, along with other
northern regions along the Panhandle. In the vision he claimed he got
from God, he said he clearly saw the bottom part of Florida under water.
Prophetic dream/vision/revelation number 2: Houston Neighborhood Devastated and Covered in Black Soot, (June 3, 2008):
In this dream* (2), Mr. Leal found himself
driving through a part of Houston which had been leveled and completely
destroyed. Covering everything was a layer of black soot, and the
streets were covered with a deep layer of mud one to two feet deep
created from the black soot.
On September 30, 2008, he posted an article
called “Was Hurricane Ike the Fulfillment of My Houston Dream?” Showing
some photos of small parts of Houston near the waterfront that had
sustained heavy wind and water damage, he mused that although he could
not be certain, it could be that this was what he had seen in his dream.
The black soot and deep sooty mud in his
dream would indicate to most people I think that something in line with a
fire or explosion had occurred. You cannot have soot without fire.
There would have to be a tremendous amount of heat and fire to create
the amount of soot seen in the dream. To use a hurricane to fill in the
blanks of his prophetic dream about dark soot in this case seems to be
quite a stretch.
Prophetic dream/vision/revelation number 3 (Gulf Oil Spill, 2010):
The watchman of Watchman’s Cry had this to say last spring at the
darkest moment of the Gulf crisis when it looked like there would be no
end to the oil spill:
from article by Nathan Leal June 8, 2010
What we are now witnessing is the judgment of God upon America and upon the earth. When I say, “The Judgment of God” I am not referring to an afternoon thunderstorm that is over in a few hours. This judgment will include the very foundations of the earth quaking and trembling. It is going to play out through a sequence of events. These events are going to strike a death blow to the economy and food supply of America. We are going to witness famine, bread lines and soup kitchens! We are also going to witness a breakdown in society! Think Katrina times 100!! The peaceful towns of America are going to erupt into chaos as these things play out.Here are some other random comments he made in his message about the Gulf Oil Spill given on May 27, 2010; *(3)
Folks this story is huge. It is gargantuan and I really don’t think most people understand the magnitude of it. How can I be so sure? Because I have been doing some seeking. And the Holy Spirit has made it very clear that what is happening in the Gulf of Mexico is going to have very grave and serious consequences for millions of people. This oil event is going to impact the lives of very many people for years.Here he is calling the Gulf Oil Spill the fulfillment of a prophecy he made 2 years earlier, when God told him that famine was coming to the shores of America. The Gulf Spill, according to Leal, was the instrument God was now using to set off a wave of famine across America., spoken about earlier. He confirms that it was God’s judgment by actually quoting word-for-word a conversation he claims he had with God, with God reminding him of a word He gave about the future oil spill back in 2008, and that the oil spill judgment was going to “play out” with famine, and be very, very, harsh.
I know that this oil event is going to shatter historical records. Your life may depend on what you hear on this program. This event in the Gulf of Mexico is going to be a huge event in history. Again my friends, please make no mistake, the judgment of God is here. This thing is going to be mighty. It is going to be harsh. It is going to sting this country. I say this in deep deep grief. I don’t say it in enjoyment. I don’t say it in celebration, I say it in deep sorrow folks. Because if people really really knew the severity of this thing, they would be on their faces right now. Famine is going to reach the shores of America.
When I was preparing for this message, I said “God, what is going on?” God said “judgment”. And I said “God, give me a word about it”. And God said “I already did”. And he did two years ago folks. That’s a true story. And I said “when God when did you give it?” He said, “go look, look for the word famine and, look for the word shores” I had forgotten about those words, so I went to my computer and looked up this prophecy. I couldn’t believe what I saw folks.”Famine will reach the shores of America”. I actually forgot about these words. I said “God, is this really happening?”And the Holy Spirit said, “it is arriving”. And I was praying to God, “God, how bad is this going to be? Can you have mercy and stop it please?” And His answer to me, folks, was “This event is going to play out, and this judgment is going to be very very harsh. And I said “Harsh? Why harsh, God?” And His answer was, “this is going to sting America.”
Now this is an example of a prophecy that went so horribly askew, that one would think it would have been enough to elicit at least an apology. When he went so far as to say that our lives could depend on what he had to say in that MP3 broadcast, many people posting on the various Christian forums began passing the word to friends and acquaintances that a serious threat to all our lives existed. When someone announces that our lives are in danger because of a certain threat, and subsequently that threat turns out to be either not life-threatening or nonexistent, isn’t that a bit like yelling “fire” in a crowded theater?
Prophetic dream/vision/revelation number 4: (The Swine Flu Epidemic Prophecy, May 1, 2009)
In a broadcast on May 1, 2009, Nathan Leal issued what he called a message of great urgency. He explained that God had told Him to warn the people that they were about to receive the judgment of pestilence. God would send a great epidemic of swine flu upon the land for its transgressions. He claimed this was a part of the fourfold judgments mentioned in the Bible.
In a lengthy sermon he delivered on May 1, 2009 *(4), the watchman spoke about depopulation of the world as the agenda for the New World Order, and that the swine flu was one of the instruments of this agenda to wipe out hundreds of millions of people. He said that although it would be carried out by people, God was behind it in as much as He was allowing it as part of His fourfold judgment upon the land.
As we know now, this epidemic never gained any momentum at all. According to Wikipedia, the swine flu pandemic began to taper off in November 2009. In an article written in the Journal of the American Medical Association in September 2010, it was stated that”the 2009 H1N1 (swine) flu was no more severe than the seasonal flu.” The report went on to state: “children infected in the 2009 swine flu pandemic were no more likely to be hospitalized with complications or get pneumonia than those who catch seasonal strains.”
Does this sound like any of the judgments we read about in the Bible? We have to decide: was the prophet right in saying that God told him the swine flu was His judgment, or was the prophet in error, because he is mistaken about having the prophetic gifting? Would God send a weak strain of mild flu-like symptoms, that completely dies out in a few months, as one of the great, fourfold judgments spoken of in the Bible?
Prophetic dream/vision/revelation number 5: “War” With Iran: June 5, 2008
This dream was short but very vivid.Well, we should all write this down in our journals. “It” is going to happen. Does this sound like a prophecy God would pass on to His appointed messenger? Later on, in August of 2010, Leal mused that perhaps a story about Iran loading fuel at its Bushehr nuclear reactor was the fulfillment of this prophecy. Is he not reading his own prophecy? It said the U.S. would take “it” to the next level. Even if he had the country right, which he didn’t, could a prophecy be any more vague than this?
I had this dream in June of 2007 In my dream, I was watching CNN News on my TV . The female newsperson was making an announcement about Iran. She said, ” Well folks today is the 21st and Iran has just reached their deadline and they have not complied. Therefore, the U.S. is now going to take “it” to the next level.”
I don’t know what “IT” meant, but by the tone of the news anchor, it sounded serious! “For we only know in part and prophesy in part.” Nathan Leal June 5, 2008 *(5)
The Latest Prophetic Dream/Vision Revelation: Nuclear Attack On Hawaii and Missile Attack On Spokane (August 4, 2011)
“America’s New Pearl Harbor”*(6) is the title of watchman Leal’s latest excursion into prophetic release, and one of the most interesting for a number of reasons.
Here we have Mr. Leal relating that he found himself hovering in the air above the big island of Hawaii. He saw a missle leaving a vapor trail streak by and explode directly over the city of Honolulu. The explosion flash of white heat covered the islands of Hawaii and Maui. He saw the number 1,100,000 in glowing yellow/orange over the explosion. He said this number represented the number of people who would be killed. Suddenly he was transported to a new location, again hovering in the air, this time over the state of Washington. He saw a missle dropping directly on the city of Spokane. He saw a cloud that was orange / gray in color, rising to about 50,000 feet, but the buildings remained intact.
A few aspects of this message warrant looking at. First, he initially announced some of the details one week earlier, and said he could not say everthing that had been revealed to him prophetically. He said he sought counsel from friends as to whether or not to release the entire message. Aren’t all prophecies by their very nature commanded by God to be released? Or are some prophetic words just intended for the edification of the prophets themselves, and not intended for public release? The friends apparently advised him to release everything he had seen, or else blood might be on his hands for failure to give the full details. In response to his friends’ advice, the next week Mr. Leal recorded a hour-long audio detailing what he has seen prophetically. He also made up a written version in the form of an article, and put both audio and written transcript up on his website.
Now I just don’t know of any Biblical precedent for God to release prophetic information in such a way that it would not be immediately clear what to do with the information. I simply cannot stretch my imagination enough to get my head around the idea that revelation from God would come with so much uncertainty that a committee would need to be formed to get input and advice as to how to deal with it. Is there some kind of prophets association, where you get certification to judge other people’s prophecies, and the decision of the committee is final and binding on God? It seems that according to this new breed of internet seers, the prophecies of the Almighty God now have to pass through the filter of a human panel discussion before being released.
This reminds me of a failed prophecy by a friend of his in the prophetic circles last year, where Mr. Leal participated in a panel discussion after the prophecy had failed, and evaluated the prophecy. The concensus opinion, including that of Mr. Leal, was that the prophet had truly been hearing from the Holy Spirit! God’s word is pretty clear that we are not to judge any word through the lense of other people. We are to judge through Scripture alone. It is troubling how anyone who professes to be a Christian can not see the error of placing human opinion on the same level or even a higher level of truth as they place Scripture.
Another troubling aspect of this is that he has said that he does not have a date for the prophecy. Of course there is Biblical precedent for not having a date, but at the same time it leaves the prophet in a comfortable position where he can never be proven wrong. A handy “heads I win, tails you lose” position. Stacking the deck, if you will. Details are always hazy. Generalizations are used, without specifics. It seems prophets, too, learn from their mistakes.
But the most telling thing about this prophetic word will now play out as we watch to see if Mr. Leal moves himself and his family out of his home town of Priest River, Idaho. This location is about an hour’s drive from Spokane, certainly by no means a safe distance from a city that will be hit by a missile and experience an orange-grey cloud rising to 50,000 feet in the air. Does the prophet believe in his own prophecy? As of the time of this writing, I have not heard of any plans on his part to relocate to a safer part of the country, but you would think any real faith that it was God speaking to him would have him hastily moving eastward. I think it will speak volumes about his ministry if he doesn’t himself personally heed the warning God supposedly gave him to pass on to the rest of us.
Summarizing the State of Prophecy in 2011:
In this ministry we see in full bloom the maturing of the false prophetic style in the 21st century. Lots of publicity, lots of haughtiness, lots of bravado, but so little in terms of fulfillment. Fulfillment is claimed on things so general in nature that it becomes no more than a word game.
Dates and also specifics, sometimes such things as the exact nature of each event, are omitted. They are vague, saying God’s message to them is shadowy and incomplete. They plead that verse which is often misunderstood and misapplied, 1Corin. 13:9 “For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.” This verse is twisted and presented to mean that God is not clear when He reveals prophetic revelation to His prophets. It is used to imply that true prophecy is received from God much like in the old movies where you see the fortune teller looking through a hazy, smoky, crystal ball, trying to make out vague shapes and symbols. Nothing could be further from the truth, and nothing could be further from God’s word. Many prophets today think their job is to try to read the mind of God and interpret what they see. Reading minds is divination, which is forbidden by God. Prophecy is not an exercise in developing extrasensory perception. No human could ever succeed in attempting to read God’s mind. His ways are not our ways.
In Scripture, we know that the Lord is always clear and unambiguous, with never any hint of confusion. It is a device of the false prophets to claim that they don’t get specifics because God holds back the information to be mysterious. Either a prophet is getting his information from God, in which case it would be full and complete, or it is his own teaching, or information that comes from the desires of his own heart. “I am handicapped by limited prophetic information”, declares Mr. Leal. * (7)
Just listen to a brief excerpt from a vision he had:
……an event of catastrophic proportions is approaching. I believe that this event will occur in America. I do not know if this will be a terrorist attack or through war. I also do not know if it will be caused by something else like natural forces or an accident! ……..many people will die when it occurs! *(8)
Mr. Leal has now announced that he plans to have a place on his website where people can email their own prophetic dreams and visions to him for posting on the site. This kind of thing has already been taking place for some time now in the forum attached to his website. There is no discernment here at all. The same guy who says he himself is handicapped in receiving prophetic information is now opening the doors to any of his listeners to send prophecies in. Its a prophetic free-for-all. Everyone gets in on the act. They pay no attention to the third commandment that says we are never to take the name of the Lord in vain. This commandment is not about cussing or swearing, as some think. It is an admonishment to never speak falsely in His name. Much of the book of Jeremiah speaks about the danger of misquoting God. Jesus spoke about it as well, saying many will claim to speak with His authority, and speak lies. Paul spoke often about how many would come to falsely speak in the Lord’s name, leading many astray.
A major problem with Nathan Leal, and his ministry, is that nothing he ever extrapolates and magnifies from the headlines ever goes on to be a judgment from God like he claims. Everything just fizzles out, and he promptly just dusts himself off, and moves on to the next scare. What happened to the comet Elenin story? You know, the ”Endtime Destroyer” as he called it in his interview with Augusto Perez? He dropped that one like a hot potato after one broadcast, mentioning it only briefly on several occasions since then. That one had a date on it, (Sept. 29, 2011) and having a date on something makes him edgy.
You can already see the writing on the wall: nothing released in the future is likely to come with a date. Why take a chance at slipping up when you can keep your prophecies open-ended and risk-free? I found this one lone Leal prophecy, from November 29, 2009, that actually had a date on it, and notice how carefully it is worded:
I also need to be very clear; my prophetic dream did not say that in Mid-August of 2010 the dollar would collapse. What it did say, was that in Mid-August of 2010, the wheels would be put into motion to begin abandoning the dollar. After that, everything was going to change!This week, and I say that with tongue in cheek, because it literally changes from week to week, the big scare is from a pending EMP attack. This stands for Electro Magnetic Pulse, which when triggered would disable all electronic devices in the entire country. Mr. Leal has been hastily researching EMP events and their devestating effects, since he believes his recent prophetic vision of a missile dropping on Spokane was possibly part of an EMP attack. With his scenario of an EMP explosion, 70 to 90 per cent of the population of America would die within the first year.
In the three years or so this ministry has been up and running, the pattern has been almost hypnotic in its repetition: reading a story from the news headlines, and saying this story is the “big one” that’s going to be monumental and change the entire playing field. And the reason we need to educate ourselves on all these various doomsday scenarios is that, according to Mr. Leal, “people need to be prepared.” What kind of preparation does he recommend?
”Take the time to educate yourself on preserving your wealth……Hedge the value of your money now, by converting it to gold or silver bullion or other currency.”How does one physically prepare for the kind of doom that he talks about? Build bomb shelters? Is stocking up on dried food, buying gold, or planting vegetable gardens going to save us from an event that will kill 90 per cent of the population? What will our gold buy if this is in our future? Where do we find physical shelter that will do us any good if any of these headlines really do represent the judgment of God? Only a foolish man would think that people can outrun, outrace, or outsmart a judgment from God. But he hammers it into his listeners heads that we need to listen to this drumbeat of terror because we need the information he dispenses to be prepared and ready to react.
In true survivalist fashion, he wants to direct our energies inward to ourselves. Our resourcefulness, our ingenuity, and our keeping ourselves informed on news events are what he believes are going to make the difference between surviving the next disaster or becoming its victim. What does the Bible have to say about our survival? It tells us that nothing short of placing our trust entirely in the hands of our Lord Jesus Christ will have any lasting effect.
As a Christian you might be tempted to say “the man is merely calling out to those who will listen the need for repentance!” The underlying premise of all the doom and gloom prophets is the staunch belief they have that God is using them to warn of impending disaster and thus bring as many souls as possible to repentance to avoid having the terrible event come crashing down upon them. Does not the word of God itself deal with the need for repentance, and tell us the kind of repentance we should have??
Is the needed repentance the kind where we repent because we want to be spared from suffering the effects of the next disaster, as the watchman says? Or does true repentance look more like this: we humbly repent because we are truly sorry for having offended the Lord, and submit fully to His will, whether the storm hits us head on and destroys everything we have, or passes by harmlessly? When fear is our motivation for doing something, our hearts are tainted by that emotion. We cannot give freely and purely when our motivation is fear-based. When we offer our repentance to the Lord, it should not be because we are trying to strike a deal with God to be spared from suffering in this world. It must be a pure, unconditional offering to the Lord, whatever the physical outcome or the cost in material terms. We say “I am yours, Lord. Do with me as you will. Whatever the outcome, I will still place my trust entirely in you.”
Do ministries that simply preach the gospel and minister to the spiritually broken, somehow fall short of inspiring repentance because they don’t load up on and inject enough fear into the equation? Is it a given that increasing the amount of fear in the hearts of Christians today will result in an equal increase in the amount of true repentance? We have to look at this for what it implies. The implication is that any ministry that does not incite fear and trepidation in its flock is falling short of its purpose, and failing God in the performance of its duties. This is entirely untrue.
Somehow I can’t help but feel that if every Christian in America today got together and decided to reject fear completely, turn off the doomsday broadcasts, and put their entire trust in the Lord Almighty, this man would be disappointed instead of rejoicing. He would claim that we are all blissfully ignorant, blind to the great dangers that face us all.
Ministries like this are a one-trick act. With Nathan Leal, the only trick he’s got is fear. There’s nothing else in his arsenal. Take away the fear, and this ministry would implode upon itself. Its actually quite sad, because maybe his intentions are good. Maybe somewhere early on in his walk he actually wanted to do God’s will. But this certainly isn’t it. How do I know? Because being obsessed with fear, and passing that obsession on to thousands of Christians in the church is not God’s will for anyone’s life.
We need to understand that we as Christians have to be aware and be able to discern when people are speaking without the proper authority. Discernment is key to navigating in troubled waters. In John 7:18 we read:
The one who speaks on his own authority seeks his own glory; but the one who seeks the glory of him who sent him is true, and in him there is no falsehood.Vague generalizations, inaccuracies, wording or phrasing that deliberately opens a statement up to a wide range of interpretations, visions and dreams that are said to be from God that do not become fulfilled in every detail, are all falsehoods. We should have nothing to do with them because they are not of God. God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow, and all prophecies that are truly from Him have clarity and are without ambiguity.
To Nathan Leal and all the doomsday ministries out there, I have but one message: Yes, we understand that we live in troublesome and precarious times. We get that, in spite of your belief that most of us are unaware and ignorant. The peril of our times underscores the reason why people need to turn to the Scriptures more than ever these days. People need the solid rock of God’s word to cling to in times like this, not the shifting sands of dream interpretation or forming committees to decipher your visions. There will be a great accounting one day for all those who speak without the authority to do so.
All blessings in Christ,
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